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nomo
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 Posted - 04/14/2009 : 23:58:45
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The 2140 with high resolution 1366 x 768 display is now listed on the HP web site. A $479 preconfigured model comes with 1.6GHz Atom, 1GB RAM, 160GB 5.4k HDD, 6-cell battery, and XP Home.
HP Mini 2140 Hi-Res Screen Option Now Available (jkontherun)
UMPC Portal posted a generally positive review of the new Gigabyte T1028M. In addition to the expected netbook internals the 10" convertible features a quick 2.5" hard drive, Expresscard/34 slot, SIM card slot, available mini-PCIe slot, and built-in 3G antenna. No word on touchscreen performance or vectoring characteristics.
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NigelS
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 23:00:47
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Interesting posts you guys....
I see more and more product in the shops - the Eee lines are so polished & nice! Form factors are coming along. Less and less "discount" looking, more actual design & innovation showing! All the same - I played around a a long while on these machines recently and then wandered into the Sony Store and realised I'd rather take out a loan for a Fujitsu or a TT than save a buck on a Netbook. If you have to use a computer every day for work and play - it had better be as attractive a prospect as possible. Otherwise you just resent it.
oion's wish may be starting to come true even this year - http://video.forbes.com/fvn/tech/goodbye-netbook-hello-thinlight
And - I'm not trusting ANY financial forecasting this year - but curious report anyway:
" Research analyst Gartner predicts sales of low-cost netbooks will double to 21 million units in 2009 from 11.7 million units last year. Overall PC sales, by contrast, are expected to fall 9.2%. " http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/14/pimp-netbooks-apple-technology-personal-tech-netbooks.html |
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mr1
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 22:51:01
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Interesting video NigelS. Independently I guess I came up with about the same idea using a different approach. I have been following this thread and netbooks with interest. I generally like smaller and lighter but find the netbooks lacking.
Up until a few weeks ago I was using my P1510 docked to a 22" monitor as my all purpose unit. I have really wanted something faster and with more ram. The 1630 and it's high price was not exciting me. During a trip through Costco the HP dv3 caught my eye. The form factor looked good but not the AMD chip. Also they have had recent issues with the nvidea video card. More research brought me to the Fujitsu S6510 and S6520.
I just purchased a P6510 14.1", 4lb, 1" thick, P7500 core duo 2.2 GHZ unit for ~$600. Only downside that I see is the 120 GB 5400 HDD. For the life of me, I can't figure out why these units are not more popular. The overall size is like a typical 13.3" unit due to the very thin side bezels. In addition it can take up to 4Ghz of RAM. This is my idea of a desktop replacement thin and light.
So far I love the unit. I purchased a new unit from the Fujitsu Ebay Factory Store. Original list price was $1702. No netbook for me! Let me have your honest opinions regarding this purchase.
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nomo
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mr1
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 01:53:05
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In this economy I was concerned about price and performance. The further below $1000 USD and above 1.6 Ghz, the happier I am. Of course size and features also figure in. The fact is that I can manage on my 900 Mhz P5010, I just don't want too!
Next to decide is keep the P5010 or tablet P1510 as backup.
MR1 5010D-250GB HD,1GB RAM XPP P1510 30GB Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT SP3,BT Portreplicator, S6510 P7500 2GB Vista
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nomo
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NigelS
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Posted - 04/27/2009 : 16:40:46
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Originally posted by mr1
Interesting video NigelS. Independently I guess I came up with about the same idea using a different approach. I have been following this thread and netbooks with interest. I generally like smaller and lighter but find the netbooks lacking.
Up until a few weeks ago I was using my P1510 docked to a 22" monitor as my all purpose unit. I have really wanted something faster and with more ram. The 1630 and it's high price was not exciting me. During a trip through Costco the HP dv3 caught my eye. The form factor looked good but not the AMD chip. Also they have had recent issues with the nvidea video card. More research brought me to the Fujitsu S6510 and S6520.
I just purchased a P6510 14.1", 4lb, 1" thick, P7500 core duo 2.2 GHZ unit for ~$600. Only downside that I see is the 120 GB 5400 HDD. For the life of me, I can't figure out why these units are not more popular. The overall size is like a typical 13.3" unit due to the very thin side bezels. In addition it can take up to 4Ghz of RAM. This is my idea of a desktop replacement thin and light.
So far I love the unit. I purchased a new unit from the Fujitsu Ebay Factory Store. Original list price was $1702. No netbook for me! Let me have your honest opinions regarding this purchase.
MR1
5010D-250GB HD,1GB RAM XPP SP3
12/2005 P1510 30GB (Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT SP3,BT Portreplicator
Excellent purchase MR1 - I'm jealous. I've had a glimpse of that machine and it has a LOT of the Fujitsu signature form that I love so much. Nice price too. Make one realise that low cost will never belong to any category - netbooks beware.
Speaking of - Toshiba advances the current 'growth in form but not performance' phase of netbooks. I'm glad they showed up though:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/news.phtml/23692/gallery/toshiba-nb200-netbook-photo-gallery-1.html
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NigelS
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oion
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Posted - 05/02/2009 : 10:35:37
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Originally posted by NigelS
The One 751 - the design evolution crawl continues http://www.slashgear.com/acer-aspire-one-751-116-inches-atom-z520-may-launch-0142477/ Acer offers nice new form, 11" display @ 1366 x 768, 2.5"HD, kind of resembles a (former) Fujitsu P...
I have to ask - where was all this industry ambition for these things back in 2000? I guess the $500 price average just wasn't a possiblity back then... More pix http://www.engadget.com/photos/acer-aspire-one-11-6-inch-hands-on/1477685/
Oh, I think the ambition was there--it was just in the luxury category and in actual technology (we can argue that netbooks have no ambition for technology per se). But when it comes to popular consumerism, it always boils down to the currency sign. Well, there's some argument against that; clearly there are cheaper alternatives to the iPod/iPhone/anything-by-Sony, but being first to market along with branding power probably balance out the cheap-consumerism.
And that brings me to another thought: maybe the $500 price average would have been possible back then if the Chinese/Taiwanese/(etc.) manufacturer brands were more accepted over the rebrands. Just how much of a premium does a popular brand name tack over the manufacturing cost? Consider all components have been made in Asia for quite some time now.
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nomo
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Posted - 05/10/2009 : 06:07:42
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Originally posted by mr1
I just purchased a [S]6510 14.1", 4lb, 1" thick, P7500 core duo 2.2 GHZ unit for ~$600. Only downside that I see is the 120 GB 5400 HDD... Let me have your honest opinions regarding this purchase.
Are you happy with the S6510? The specs look pretty good.
On the netbook front: Long term hardware impressions – Sony VAIO P (UMPC Portal)
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nomo
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 00:19:29
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Matt Kohut, Lenovo Worldwide Competitive Analyst, interviewed by tech.blorge.com on the future of netbooks:-
Next six months: built-in 3G -
Later this year: Windows 7 with full touch integration -
Next five years: different sizes of netbooks and dropping prices leading to increased functionality and integration with other devices
Intel outlines notebook plans for 2H09
Intel to Push 'Thin Is In' Notebook Refresh-
Atom CPU shipments fell 33% in Q1 2009 because of excess OEM inventory-
Intel might discontinue the Atom N280 and GN40 chipset combination for netbooks-
Atom N270 and 945GSE chipset combination to continue until September and be replaced by Atom Pineview CPU and Tiger Point chipset-
Intel designed a "white-box" standard 8.9-inch netbook running Moblin v2 with target price of $256
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mr1
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 02:26:05
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The S6510 is working out almost perfectly so far. My old eyes appreciate the larger display and I like the faster overall speed. It does get warm but the heat is blown out the left side of the unit. The bottom does not get uncomfortable. Maintaining the low weight sealed the deal for me. Battery life seems to be 3.5-4 hrs. One large disappointment is that the input plug for the power brick is smaller than my other two, no more multi interchangeable power. Jury is still out on Vista and it may have to go away.
It appears as though netbooks are looking for a larger market by increasing screen size. I'm glad I'm not a gamer and have no processor intense applications. I'm happy that I decided on a faster processor and the uniquely designed 14.1" screen.
Conclusion - $600 well spent!
I think I'm leaning toward keeping my P5010 and selling the P1510. I dont't really need my 22" monitor with the other two portables.
MR1 5010D-250GB HD,1GB RAM XPP P1510 30GB Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT SP3,BT Portreplicator, S6510 P7500 2GB Vista
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NigelS
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nomo
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oion
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 09:31:25
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Originally posted by NigelS
(Tomorrow it is landfill, but for today you are All That)
No truer words have been spoken...
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Originally posted by nomo
The rise and fall of netbooks
"Geeks love the idea of netbooks - small, cheap portables designed primarily for Internet access and not much else." No falser words have been spoken. I doubt true geeks would be touching these things with a 128-bit pole precisely because they're soooo damn limited. (Maybe wannabe geeks? Haha.  ) While the information about the overall sales drop is interesting, the rest of Silverman's article seems to miss the mark. One important point he clearly misses: The "undersized"-ness is half the marketing strategy besides price, stupid.
Ultimately, if the consumer bought one and got tired of the small size prematurely, that's their own fault for not trying it out (and I guess that's an American thing, given the numbers). But given how "disposable" netbooks are, if they disappeared, that wouldn't be a big deal either, I suppose. I just wonder how this compares to the increased "mobile web" usage on truly handheld devices with clearly tinier screens and crappier "keyboards."
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Shades of Crusoe-Era hacking! - Netbooks already have a Graphics Chip booster.
Note - this will work on a few (previous) Fujitsu P Series as well...
http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/04/gma-booster-increases-your-gma-based-device’s-graphical-performance
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-263635_15_0.html
Hm. Here's a summary of comments that stood out for me:
"Also, if you are talking about a laptop, then I would not recommend doing so since OC'ing increases heat." (jaguarskx)
"Well the netbook's have underclocked GMA's to save battery life... If one wants to overclock a netbook, one should never have bought a netbook... lol" (daedalus685)
"and yeah, I confirm that you can expect a deluxe 2 fps instead of poor 1 fps from your netbook now" (PoKo)
"That's like overclocking your grannies bicycle-with-engine. If you want something fast, don't start with the slowest in the first place. ;P" (sub mesa)
I'd have to agree with them--what's the point? It's one thing to overclock your desktop rig for gaming, but netbooks? It's not like netbooks were dropped into market with the latest and fastest mobile chips available; a true subnotebook would fit that niche instead. |
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NigelS
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 11:29:03
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I see maybe I should not have posted the GMA Booster news - looks like trouble for some folks (plus the guy wants donations - not good unless it is flawless)
The claim of the creator of GMA Booster is that netbooks are default under-clocked (from 400 down to 160), and GMA Booster offers a control for 200 300 or 400 mhz. Reports are poor with a few successes - world of warcraft on a EEE 701 seems usable, for example. If you use it on something other than Intel 945GM / GME / GMS / GSE943 / 940GML / GU then there can be hardware problems. All the same - I think it is fun to soup-up granny bikes.
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=60434&p=1
http://forums.msiwind.net/internal-hardware/boost-your-gma-950-speed-166-200-250-400-mhz-t8130.html
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oion
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 15:04:36
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Originally posted by NigelS
I see maybe I should not have posted the GMA Booster news - looks like trouble for some folks (plus the guy wants donations - not good unless it is flawless)
The claim of the creator of GMA Booster is that netbooks are default under-clocked (from 400 down to 160), and GMA Booster offers a control for 200 300 or 400 mhz. Reports are poor with a few successes - world of warcraft on a EEE 701 seems usable, for example. If you use it on something other than Intel 945GM / GME / GMS / GSE943 / 940GML / GU then there can be hardware problems. All the same - I think it is fun to soup-up granny bikes.
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=60434&p=1
http://forums.msiwind.net/internal-hardware/boost-your-gma-950-speed-166-200-250-400-mhz-t8130.html
Oh, I don't think it was a problem to post that because some people most likely will want to know if that's possible, and the thread's comments offer a good realistic kick in the shin and hopefully those people will wake up to the fact that it simply isn't worth it to try ("You shouldn't have bought a netbook"). Nor is it a terrible thing to ask for donations--that's certainly something completely different from being adware or nagware/shareware.
I mean, many people have asked over the past near-decade how to speed up the Crusoe machines, right? But of course, the main difference there was that the Crusoe subnotebooks were truly a new technology and there was no other chip competition at that smallest end of the subnotebook market, at least in the beginning. On the other hand, these days, netbooks represent a step backwards in the technology evolution with the same or very similar form factors (i.e. there are clearly better technology options in terms of speed and the like at the same size). Naturally, I'm ignoring the price issue.
I guess it's still true that subnotebooks at this size range still lack the 3D graphical power for gaming, I suppose, but here's a kicker: It turns out that Windows 7 will contain some kind of fancy programming that converts CPU power into a 3D graphics processing boost. I don't know how that works, but it may be possible for faster laptops without 3D and high memory GPU to play stuff like WoW more easily. I don't particularly care about this myself, though, but it's interesting nonetheless. (I didn't know the EEE-whatever had a 3D chip for WoW? Or I'm missing something.)
Anyway. I heard on NPR that the Silverman guy was actually interviewed. I didn't hear the whole thing, but maybe he didn't just rehash that meh blog entry of his. Is it the end of the netbook fad already? Possible. I mean, I think most of us were aware of the profit margin limitations for the major component manufacturers and probably thought that the ultra-aggressive pricing was bound to bite them hard in the ass sometime soon. But if the netbook wind-down is happening now (for whatever reason--deepening recession?), what will happen with Windows 7 being slated for a late 2009 release? Who knows. One thing seems certain: Knowing that Microsoft will demand a higher premium for Win7 over WinXP with probably greater usage constraints, I highly doubt Win7 will actually help the netbook market by then. It may hurt or even be the nail in the coffin, which would be interesting.
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Posted - 05/19/2009 : 09:00:37
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Originally posted by NigelS
The claim of the creator of GMA Booster is that netbooks are default under-clocked (from 400 down to 160), and GMA Booster offers a control for 200 300 or 400 mhz. Reports are poor with a few successes...
This app works on many Fujitsus and other non-netbook machines, FYI. The integrated Intel
graphics chip is actually configured in hardware, and most ULV machines use the 945GME
which is 166MHz.
It's easy to see what the program is doing, and it's apparently using some undocumented
register values to achieve it. I can see why it doesn't work on all devices. But, it does
work on my P7230, noticeably improving the 3D Vista score. OTOH it doesn't budge the 2D
score a bit, and frankly doesn't change the user experience at all.
Cute idea, if not exactly a life-changing discovery...
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nomo
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nomo
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Posted - 05/26/2009 : 00:58:50
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Lenovo's $449 IdeaPad S12 now official: first netbook with NVIDIA's Ion chipset
Lenovo IdeaPad S12 first to implement ION on mobile platformquote:
Originally posted at Engadget
Frankly, this is one of the first netbooks in ages that has managed to get our blood moving, with a 100-percent full-size keyboard, the promise of 1080p video playback, a sub-3 pound weight and a starting tag of just $449. Other specs include a WXGA (1,280 x 800) resolution LED-backlit panel, Intel's 1.6GHz Atom CPU (the one big "ugh"), 1GB of DDR2 memory, 160/250/320GB HDD options, an optional 6-cell battery, Ethernet jack, WiFi, Bluetooth, three USB 2.0 sockets, an ExpressCard slot, a 4-in-1 card reader and VGA / HDMI outputs. Thankfully you'll find Windows XP running the show, and you'll be able to grab your own starting next month.
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StR
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 14:33:00
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I posted this originally to the "P1500 & P1600 Series Topics" http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13197 forum, as I didn't see this thread.
Following a tip from mr1, I am reposting it here as well.
Fujitsu's netbook M2010 has arrived to the US:
http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=M2010
Finally, Fujitsu brought its netbook to the US.
Based on the first glance over the specs:
1) It's overpriced ($449?! Fujitsu, wake up!);
2) the website doesn't offer yet the "recommended options" of 2GB RAM and the "High Capacity Lithium-ion Battery" as configurable options;
3) color: I wouldn't call it my favorite color;
4) battery life is far from being on par with Aspire One or other netbook champions;
5) right shift key is right of the top arrow key (unlike in P5), for which several other netbooks were criticized.
Besides, despite what Fujitsu claims in the specs list, N270 has never been an "Intel® Core 2 Duo™ Processor"
http://www.shopfujitsu.com/www/products_notebooks.php?products/notebooks/tech_specs/m2010_ts
So, what's left, i.e. what keeps me looking at this?
Probably my love to P5020D that I've used happily for 5.5 years.
It was of about the same size.
Anyway, - maybe somebody will enjoy this new offering from Fujitsu.
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Netbooks have arrived
