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plwinkler
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 Posted - 12/13/2009 : 17:35:21
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Looks like the Poquet PC.
I couldn't use anything with screen this small. My beloved P2120 now sits unused since I've become accustomed to the screen size and speed of my MacBook Pro. |
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nomo
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NigelS
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StR
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tmt
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 17:20:19
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"Made in Japan with superb quality, the MH380 is the perfect Mini-Notebook for all occasions."
The term "Made in Japan" is lately being used by Fujitsu to signify products which
are not outsourced to contract manufacturers, as other Fujitsu products are beginning to
exserience. It's interesting that they're positioning this as a quality product - it's
undoubtedly going to target a price well below the traditional Fujitsu ultramobile line,
but not so low as netbooks from others...
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NigelS
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Canada
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Posted - 12/30/2009 : 19:09:12
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2010 is here - netbooks sell the best / impress the least: in a cross-comparison of the very latest, most long-awaited machines - ASUS Eee PC 1201N; Lenovo IdeaPad S12; HP Mini 311; and the Samsung N510 - not one of them has crossed the 2009 finish line with anything other than a yawn.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/30/ion-netbooks-head-to-head-atom-overcharged/
At the risk of revisiting a long-stale LeoG topic (but I will since this thread has finally rolled to a halt), I have to ask you all - is any machine greater than 10"+ screen-size still a sub-note (and worthy of our attention?)
Shopping around I see all these new 11 inch and 12 inch machines (with a 1"+ bezel) and I just don't see the point any more. At least the Fujitsu P8 chops the bezel down to the quick... But anyway, what do you all think? |
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nomo
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Posted - 01/02/2010 : 15:35:23
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Originally posted by NigelS
I have to ask you all - is any machine greater than 10"+ screen-size still a sub-note (and worthy of our attention?)
Being worthy of attention probably depends on the interests of the users. I am interested in small and light computers that offer only a moderate decrease in performance compared to full-sized laptops. The 11- and 12-inch models with large bezels seem to offer low cost and only a moderate decrease in size. While these computers fall into the definition of subnotebook -- "a laptop computer that weighs less than four pounds" -- they seem to be targeted at mainstream consumers seeking low cost and a nearly-full-sized keyboard.
On a related note, the ultra-portable market is shrinking while netbook sales are forecasted to continue growing through 2011. DisplaySearch reports that 33.3 million netbooks were sold in 2009 accounting for 20% of unit sales and 10% of revenue of the $109 billion notebook market. By comparison, ultra-portables represent only 6.3% of notebook revenue. The segment contracted by 23% last year and is expected to continue its decline in 2010. Sales of other notebooks (excluding netbooks and ultra-portables) were down 12% in 2009 and are forecasted to hold steady in 2010.quote:
Originally posted at DisplaySearch.com
"Mini-notes continue to be a significant piece of the notebook PC pie, in terms of both units and revenue. However, our long-term outlook is that the mini-note share of the notebook PC market has stabilized, and will remain at approximately 20% through 2011 before starting to erode. While mini-notes offer lower ASPs and are thinner and lighter than notebook PCs, the performance of larger notebook PCs continues to improve while prices continue to steadily decline, increasing the performance gap while narrowing the price gap." said John F. Jacobs, Director of Notebook Market Research.
Intel officially introduced the Atom N450. Anandtech published a review of the Asus Eee PC 1005PE featuring the new chip.
Netbook news is leaking out prior to official announcements later this week at CES. Logicbuy lists the Mini 210 with 10.1" 1366 x 768 display and 1.66GHz N450 Atom CPU for $279.99, and Mini 210 HD with Broadcom video playback chip for $329.99. The Compaq Mini CQ10 with 1024 x 600 LCD is listed for $259.99. Specs available at HP Hong Kong. The Mini 210 was photographed in the wild with a 6 cell battery and two year warranty for $349.99.
Lenovo Ideapad S10-3t, S10-3 specs & pricing emerge
Intel Atom chip spawns Toshiba, Gateway Netbooks
Acer ends the year by announcing a new netbook
Dell Refreshes Mini 10 Netbook
MSI Netbooks With Pine Trail Platform
French Retailer Leaks Spec List For Samsung N220 Netbook
Nokia Booklet 3G Review (Mobile Internet Netbook)
Novatech X10 Netbook: Cheap and Compact with an Impressive LED Back Light Display
Google Chrome OS-based netbook tech specs are out
Rumors about Apple tablet computer ramp up
Apple Tablet to Kill Netbooks
Technology changes 'outstrip' netbooks
Verizon sees rise of 'slate' computers in 2010
'Smartbooks' Latest to Join Crowded Computer Market
BPhone Netbook and Phone Hybrid takes on iPhone
Dell Mini 10 Netbook Modded Into A Humongous Cell Phone |
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nomo
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Posted - 01/07/2010 : 16:11:06
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Under the category of "Not Just Another Netbook," today LG announced a super-slim 11.6" ultra-portable powered by a 2GHz Atom CPU:  -
2.0 GHz Atom Z550-
up to 2GB memory -
solid state drive (SSD)-
fanless, silent operation -
embedded 3G provides online access via GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, or HSDPA-
1.3-megapixel webcam -
ships with a spare 2-cell battery to provide up to seven hours operation -
11.6-inch LCD eschews a bezel to maximize viewing area-
reflective keyboard-
borderless touchpad features hidden lighting and tactile feedback-
Smart POP synchronization -
Smart On for access to frequently used functions in five seconds-
17.6mm thick (0.7")-
970g (2.14 lbs) -
scheduled to debut globally next month-
no word on pricing
LG Showcases Ultra Thin Mobile PC at CES 2010 (pr-inside)
LG serves up 11.6-inch X300 ultraportable (engadget)
LG Announces the Atom-Based X300 Ultra-Thin Laptop (softpedia)
EDIT: See also, LG X300 hands-on: thin, light, and handsome (engadget) |
Edited by - nomo on 01/08/2010 00:23:32 |
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NigelS
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Posted - 01/11/2010 : 19:25:22
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HP takes their Mini in a direction I'd like to see all netbooks heading.... The 5102 is the so-called business class netbook with more metal than plastic, widely spaced flat-topped keys, 10.1-inch diagonal LED display (WSVGA or HD), touchscreen (!), 7200 rpm (or SSD) hard drive. It still lacks ION graphics, though. Has a nifty pop-out handle. I wouldn't buy one, but it sure gets my respect... http://ces.cnet.com/8301-31045_1-10423917-269.html?tag=mncol
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EB1
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 01:03:40
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10" at 1,366x768 is crazy or for very young eyeballs. It looks like there is a lot of wasted bezel area.
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nomo
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 01:12:16
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I agree with your comments, Nigel. Premium 10" netbooks like the Mini 5102, Vaio W, and LG X200 offer hi-def displays, 2GB RAM, GPS, and other attractive options. 1.66GHz Atom N450 is standard, but LG also lists the 1.83GHz Atom N470. The Mini 5102 will be available with a Broadcom graphics accelerator as an alternative to Ion. For graphics extremists, Dell announced a four pound, 11.6" Alienware ultra-portable with 1GB NVidia graphics.
On a different note, MSI revealed a dual 10" touchscreen e-reader/netbook. |
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NigelS
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 03:09:49
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| Hi you guys - just thought I'd add that for me it's a relief that the 5102 (& HP) and other machines are finally finessing some class into a very low class product area. Fujitsu fans have watched their favourite products slowly move to a vanilla formula over the years only to finally have the rug pulled out by the economy and the netbook. The 5102 for example starts at $400 like a netbook is supposed to but has options. The options are what have always been the missing but desired thing for subnotes. 10" screens with either 1024x600, or 1366x768, Linux, XP or 7, multi-touch (or not), optional 802.11 b/g/n, and so on. Rightly, your costs will double, however, for the more quality options (also the netbook term is no longer applicable, either). I was playing around on an 8" unit the other day and didn't even realise it because the display was so nice - 8" and 10" are fine depending on the screen, even for tired eyes. I agree the bezels need to be trim, or there is no point to the form factor (footprint too big) which is also why I shy away from 12" units. At 12" you might as well go for one of the 14" units with zero bezel (like Sony makes) with the hi-res (some of those are really nice). I guess I'm still a die-hard fan of the original ultra-portable ideal. (Not the original prices though! What were we thinking..:}) |
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oion
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Posted - 01/13/2010 : 00:34:04
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Eh.
Still, no one has yet made my ideal portable notebook yet, right?
> 3 lbs or less
> 7 hours or more (with wireless on and HDD seeking)
> 11-12" screen
> Very durable keyboard with printing that won't discolor or rub off
> Non-plasticky feel
> Dedicated VRAM
> Plenty of ports - at least 3 USB
> Highly efficient and usable high-tech LCD
> Eraser nub or combo
> No internal fan (besides PCMCIA, perhaps, if people still use those things) or a VERY quiet one
> Plenty of power for computing - Photoshop, 27 browser tabs, sound editor, etc.
> $500-700? 
Oh well then. Keep me apprised.  |
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NigelS
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 13:54:08
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Netbook killer** arrives ( and none too soon...: via Engadget)
The iPad: a half-inch thick, 1.5 pounds, 10-inch touchscreen (IPS LCD display) with a custom 1GHz Apple "A4" chip developed by P.A. Semi, and 10-hour battery life. It comes in 16, 32, and 64GB sizes, has a 30-pin Dock connector, a speaker, a microphone, Bluetooth, and 802.11n WiFi. Apple says there's room for a third device between the smartphone and the laptop, and that it has to be better at tasks like browsing, email, photos, e-books, and videos than both -- "Netbooks," says Jobs, "aren't better at anything." iPad has a large touchscreen keyboard that is "a dream to type on," with an interface that's very reminiscent of the iPhone. http://www.engadget.com/
**headline based on Apple release hyperbole
(It WOULD be a netbook killer provided it lists for less than $599 ;}) |
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oion
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 14:26:50
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Originally posted by NigelS
Netbook killer arrives (and none too soon...: via Engadget)
The iPad: a half-inch thick, 1.5 pounds, 10-inch touchscreen (IPS LCD display) with a custom 1GHz Apple "A4" chip developed by P.A. Semi, and 10-hour battery life. It comes in 16, 32, and 64GB sizes, has a 30-pin Dock connector, a speaker, a microphone, Bluetooth, and 802.11n WiFi. Apple says there's room for a third device between the smartphone and the laptop, and that it has to be better at tasks like browsing, email, photos, e-books, and videos than both -- "Netbooks," says Jobs, "aren't better at anything." iPad has a large touchscreen keyboard that is "a dream to type on," with an interface that's very reminiscent of the iPhone. http://www.engadget.com/
Hmmm. Because it's Apple, my immediate thought was "That's a complete load of bull. Nothing priced in the thousands will ever compete with netbooks."
Though I suppose at $600-700, it would compete at the high end. But that's still no netbook killer because you can't possibly type normally on a touchscreen keyboard (even if netbook keyboards themselves are pretty 'meh', at least the wrist angle is anatomically correct). If they expect people to compose e-mails with their thumbs, that's just stupid... Stick with a more portable cell phone for texting.
Additional thoughts:
"...a third device between the smartphone and the laptop, and that it has to be better at tasks like browsing, email, photos, e-books, and videos than both"--
What? How in the ****** heck can anything be better than a more powerful laptop for browsing/email/photos/videos? Between the FAR better keyboards on laptops/subnotes and more powerful processing, the most that mythical device can hope for, I think, is par. The only way I'd look twice is if the typing and power gauges on this intermediate device are on par with laptops AND it has 20 hours of hardcore battery life to boot.
I'd give the iPad's format props for e-book reading, but you're MUCH better off getting an e-book reader that has days' worth of battery life and is easier on the eyes with their special screens. I suppose there's the argument that you might as well get this for more multipurpose work like e-mail, but typing on that looks horrid no matter how I imagine it. Forget 90 wpm without wrist/thumb hurtage (yes, that's a word).
This sounds like a Sony bling job to me, and what's sad is that the Apple cultists would jump all over it without a second thought. |
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tmt
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 14:49:51
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Sure, it's a big-giant-iPhone, but with the keyboard dock you have to admit it's a little
bit cool. And definitely a great ebook reader, grab-and-go browser and email, etc. Time
will tell how it fits in with users! Hard to imagine it killing the laptop, or the iPhone
to me, though.
Tom. |
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NigelS
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 15:34:04
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My numbing+comforting cynicism just drained out of me - it's going to sell for $500 (and up) - I'm stunned. (We don't have to redefine 'Netbook' as much as redefine 'Mac'.)
(As for tablets - I agree with oion that they are unnaturally flat - and - they need a lid! How mindful do you gotta be to keep your screen all nice 'n everything! Plus devices need to be "opened". My wallet "opens", books "open", newspapers too. How can ya get used to something you just drag out and start using - ***old codger alert!** (I'll stop now - iPad is a game changer, for sure, and everyone will benefit down the road...;)) |
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oion
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 17:38:14
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quote:
Originally posted by tmt
Sure, it's a big-giant-iPhone, but with the keyboard dock you have to admit it's a little
bit cool. And definitely a great ebook reader, grab-and-go browser and email, etc. Time
will tell how it fits in with users! Hard to imagine it killing the laptop, or the iPhone
to me, though.
Tom.
Well, okay, with a keyboard dock, it'd actually be usable for the e-mail/document bit. But that's just another piece to carry with you, which seems to defeat the purpose.
I'm sure it'll carve out a little specialized niche for itself as Apple is wont to do, but it's no anything-killer, really.
(I wonder whatever happened to that silly Sony bling book... At least this looks more usable than that.) |
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NigelS
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 18:11:14
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| The Sony Bling? It still sells for 2 grand (direct from Japan) in five flavors on Dynamism! (Sorry - I know you weren't really inquiring...) Like everything so far in this thread, I wouldn't buy the new Mac. When the Air came out the hype was massive like now, but is that thing ever stale already. And quite buggy from what I've read (don't misread this, I love Apple and think their tablet will only help). I guess if they stick to their MO, the iPad will be making money not from unit sales but from the stuff you load on to it. |
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NigelS
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oion
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 18:56:16
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Originally posted by NigelS
Fujitsu says "been there - done that" to the new Mac / threatens suit....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/technology/companies/29name.html?ref=technology
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/apple-and-fujitsu-inevitably-caught-up-in-ipad-trademark-dispute/
***This story would be even more exciting if Fuj had named their own slate "iPad" -
http://www.shopfujitsu.com/images/notebooks/st6012_photogal/st6012_dock_cdout.jpg
Amusing.  I'm laughing...(at Apple, not with).
I don't know. Everything just feels so stale these days, no matter how rounded-cornered or glossy (UGH FINGERPRINTS). I mean, even the last huge gadget marketing blitz with the Kindle wasn't all that because e-readers had already existed for some time. Netbooks--just cheap and cheap subnotebooks. This latest Apple iPad doohickey--tablet computing of another color. Nothing's an anything-killer.
It's as if the entire electronics industry is in the "remake that movie" mode or something, just with cheaper plastics. Functional improvements? Maybe. Or just getting a gadget into the mainstream.
I suppose I'm not looking in the right places, either. I used to have Japanese websites bookmarked that had little bits about the latest weird thing they invented. That was fun, if silly, because those things aren't about taking over entire markets but exist for their own preponderance of originality. There's something more sinister, to me, about such heavily marketed ho-hum-ness going on today.
Just being cynical... |
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mr1
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Posted - 01/29/2010 : 02:30:15
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Actually the Ipad is a giant Ipod Touch with no camera. I think it's a nich product with a lot of upside potential. I was not an initial iphone fan but now I'm a minor fanboy.
As an e-reader I think the Ipad will be a Fail. The heavy duty people that read, wife included, convinced me that e-ink and a special screen is the elegant solution. This is why e-book readers have seen success. For this reason my wife has a nook instead of my P1510.
At this point, I have no need or desire for the Ipad.
MR1 5010D-250GB HD,1GB RAM XPP P1510 30GB Upgraded to 60GB HD)1GB Ram XPT SP3,BT Portreplicator, S6510 P7500 2GB Vista
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mebiuspower
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Netbooks have arrived
